Vry en regverdig,...in Suid Afrika?? In Suid Afrika is niks en niemand meer vry nie, en regverdig is 'n woord uit die woordeskat van die Afrikaners wat 47 jaar terug dateer.
KVM Not 30 million. Ballot papers. But many millions of ballot papers.
POM Millions anyway. So then you had a result that emerged from all that in which everybody became a winner. Buthelezi got Natal, the National Party got the Western Cape and the ANC got a large majority but not a majority that would put the country into a one party state. It has been suggested ...
KVM That a deal was struck in the Cabinet and the leaders in the Cabinet and the way I read you, wasn't the whole thing planned?
POM Brokered in the end, that in the end if you needed a result that the legitimacy ...
KVM ... the senior partners. I have no evidence of that but it sounds to me the type of thing that happened and I will tell you, if you were to rely scientifically on the election it was simply a farce, where thousands of people were waiting to vote they couldn't vote on the Thursday, they waited. Now blacks have a culture of waiting. They just throw their brains in neutral and sit there, they stand, three hours, five hours, a day. I know some of the Thokoza, four or six of the senior Zulu Indunas get in a car here and they go to Durban and they go to Buthelezi's office and they say, "We are here from the Transvaal and we would like to see him." And then they said, "OK he's not here at the moment, he's coming back from Cape Town or overseas late." And then they wait and they get lunch and they get dinner, they get a place to sleep and sometimes they wait three or four days and then he arrives and says, "I believe you want to see me", and then they talk to him. We have appointments.